Comments on: Accessible Toilets For Wheelchair Users http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/ Living One Day At A Time Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:41:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: kang ming http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/#comment-4761 kang ming Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:07:58 +0000 http://www.petertan.com/blog/?p=491#comment-4761 at the end of the day.. i think both camps have their points.. just that emotions run high and both lose their cool.. i've personally used the handicapped toilet before and i dare say i've used them only in situations where i'm really urgent and the queue is long. ethical theories, economic theories, moralities.. are all nonsense when applied in its entirety without considerations for a balance between them. if everyone have the same considerations and respect for others, a lot of events like this would not have happened, or would have been resolved more amicably. just my 2 cts anyway. at the end of the day.. i think both camps have their points.. just that emotions run high and both lose their cool.. i’ve personally used the handicapped toilet before and i dare say i’ve used them only in situations where i’m really urgent and the queue is long. ethical theories, economic theories, moralities.. are all nonsense when applied in its entirety without considerations for a balance between them. if everyone have the same considerations and respect for others, a lot of events like this would not have happened, or would have been resolved more amicably. just my 2 cts anyway.

]]> By: suanie http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/#comment-4691 suanie Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:27:43 +0000 http://www.petertan.com/blog/?p=491#comment-4691 before you all get your knickers in a twist, please do read this post: http://www.yvonnefoong.com/archives/2005/10/why-handicap-toilets-are-important/ from another person's perspective. then only come back and retort however you want. thank you. before you all get your knickers in a twist, please do read this post:
http://www.yvonnefoong.com/archives/2005/10/why-handicap-toilets-are-important/
from another person’s perspective. then only come back and retort however you want. thank you.

]]> By: mai http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/#comment-4683 mai Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:42:11 +0000 http://www.petertan.com/blog/?p=491#comment-4683 this makes some good points, and some erroneous ones. if it were a right, people in countries and locations everywhere would have access to toilets, including 'accessible' toilets. there are people even in the US who do not. are their rights being violated? who knows. but the fact remains that they don't have them, be they disabled or not. people in many countries suffer the same things, whether they are in a wheelchair or not - if there is a toilet, it is a LUXURY that most of us are all too used to having. i don't recall the young woman ANYWHERE on her blog saying that she'd kick a disabled person out of a stall, or further prohibit a disabled person from using an accessible stall. in fact, i recall her mentioning that if she was aware of a disabled person needing the stall, she would certainly move aside. the point i took from her story is that the person was rude. disabled or not, rudeness doesn't have to be tolerated, especially when one is (excuse me) pissing down one's leg trying to find a toilet. you state this: "There is a reason why non-disabled persons are prohibited from using such toilets. Repeated use and abuse will damage and make the toilets dirty, wet and unusable to disabled persons. For every ten to twelve usable toilets for gents and ladies, there is only one that is accessible to wheelchairs. An unusable accessible toilet will greatly inconvenience a disabled person who needs to use one urgently." i don't know anyone who abuses a toilet. i've never seen it happen. ever. i'm sorry if where you live people are ripping toilets off the walls, and clogging up the sinks, however, did you stop to think that the people who do so may also be disabled? a stretch, yet still a possibility, no? finally, assume for a moment that you come across a seemingly 'abled' person using an accessible toilet (not all of which have pull cords and sinks and what have you, you know). consider that there are other reasons someone might use the one closest to him/her. perhaps the person has a genetic condition that causes his/her bladder to be weak. perhaps that can't be seen from the outside. i don't make excuses for people of any ilk to be condescending, or for the same people to be rude. if one wants to be treated like everyone else, one has to take EVERYTHING that comes with it, no matter how annoying or uncomfortable. this makes some good points, and some erroneous ones. if it were a right, people in countries and locations everywhere would have access to toilets, including ‘accessible’ toilets. there are people even in the US who do not. are their rights being violated? who knows. but the fact remains that they don’t have them, be they disabled or not. people in many countries suffer the same things, whether they are in a wheelchair or not - if there is a toilet, it is a LUXURY that most of us are all too used to having.

i don’t recall the young woman ANYWHERE on her blog saying that she’d kick a disabled person out of a stall, or further prohibit a disabled person from using an accessible stall. in fact, i recall her mentioning that if she was aware of a disabled person needing the stall, she would certainly move aside.

the point i took from her story is that the person was rude. disabled or not, rudeness doesn’t have to be tolerated, especially when one is (excuse me) pissing down one’s leg trying to find a toilet.

you state this:
“There is a reason why non-disabled persons are prohibited from using such toilets. Repeated use and abuse will damage and make the toilets dirty, wet and unusable to disabled persons. For every ten to twelve usable toilets for gents and ladies, there is only one that is accessible to wheelchairs. An unusable accessible toilet will greatly inconvenience a disabled person who needs to use one urgently.”

i don’t know anyone who abuses a toilet. i’ve never seen it happen. ever. i’m sorry if where you live people are ripping toilets off the walls, and clogging up the sinks, however, did you stop to think that the people who do so may also be disabled? a stretch, yet still a possibility, no?

finally, assume for a moment that you come across a seemingly ‘abled’ person using an accessible toilet (not all of which have pull cords and sinks and what have you, you know). consider that there are other reasons someone might use the one closest to him/her. perhaps the person has a genetic condition that causes his/her bladder to be weak. perhaps that can’t be seen from the outside.

i don’t make excuses for people of any ilk to be condescending, or for the same people to be rude. if one wants to be treated like everyone else, one has to take EVERYTHING that comes with it, no matter how annoying or uncomfortable.

]]> By: whatever http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/#comment-4680 whatever Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:15:01 +0000 http://www.petertan.com/blog/?p=491#comment-4680 it's your own fault you got yourself disabled. what makes you think that we have to serve YOU and give in to YOU? you die your own problem. not ours. be grateful that there's even such a thing called the handicapped toilet. c'mon, i mean, you're so ungrateful la. and now xiaxue leh? she frigging lost her job. it’s your own fault you got yourself disabled. what makes you think that we have to serve YOU and give in to YOU? you die your own problem. not ours. be grateful that there’s even such a thing called the handicapped toilet. c’mon, i mean, you’re so ungrateful la. and now xiaxue leh? she frigging lost her job.

]]> By: Neutral http://www.petertan.com/blog/2005/10/19/accessible-toilets-for-wheelchair-users/#comment-4676 Neutral Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:56:32 +0000 http://www.petertan.com/blog/?p=491#comment-4676 XX was looking at the disabled person in her post as another human being. If he does not lock his door and someone opens it, he has no right to rant at that person for his own mistake. He may be disabled, but surely he is not mentally retarded. She was attacking the fact that he was RUDE and not the fact that he is disabled. True, the guy who opened his door was not disabled. So what? I use disabled toilets in my school, in shopping malls, etc. when I really need to go and the normal toilets are packed with people and there are no disabled people around. Who pays for the construction of disabled toilets? The majority are ABLED people. If the disabled people pay for these facilities themselves, then sure, us abled people have no right to use the toilets. But this is not the case. Thus, how can you say that it is YOUR RIGHT? We have as much right as you do to use the disabled toilets since the money used to construct them comes mostly from us. Moreover, XX did say that if a disabled person wants to use the toilet she would give it up to him. Likewise, if a disabled person was to come up to the disabled toilet just as I was about to enter, I would certainly let him use it first. I feel that disabled toilets are for everyone to use, just that PRIORITY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO DISABLED PEOPLE. You are one of the malicious christians I have ever met and I do not think that the Bible teaches such morals. To write to XX's companies and the organisations for the handicapped is unreasonable and mean. She is not a bad representation of society. In fact, I think she is one of the better representations of society because she dares to be politically incorrect. She dares to speak her mind. And society isn't perfect. I bet half the people who are pointing fingers at her have used disabled toilets at least once in their lives. Also, what makes you think only abled people will wet the floors and dirty the toilets? I should think disabled people can dirty and wet the toilets too. XX was looking at the disabled person in her post as another human being. If he does not lock his door and someone opens it, he has no right to rant at that person for his own mistake. He may be disabled, but surely he is not mentally retarded. She was attacking the fact that he was RUDE and not the fact that he is disabled. True, the guy who opened his door was not disabled. So what? I use disabled toilets in my school, in shopping malls, etc. when I really need to go and the normal toilets are packed with people and there are no disabled people around.
Who pays for the construction of disabled toilets? The majority are ABLED people. If the disabled people pay for these facilities themselves, then sure, us abled people have no right to use the toilets. But this is not the case. Thus, how can you say that it is YOUR RIGHT? We have as much right as you do to use the disabled toilets since the money used to construct them comes mostly from us. Moreover, XX did say that if a disabled person wants to use the toilet she would give it up to him. Likewise, if a disabled person was to come up to the disabled toilet just as I was about to enter, I would certainly let him use it first. I feel that disabled toilets are for everyone to use, just that PRIORITY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO DISABLED PEOPLE. You are one of the malicious christians I have ever met and I do not think that the Bible teaches such morals. To write to XX’s companies and the organisations for the handicapped is unreasonable and mean. She is not a bad representation of society. In fact, I think she is one of the better representations of society because she dares to be politically incorrect. She dares to speak her mind. And society isn’t perfect. I bet half the people who are pointing fingers at her have used disabled toilets at least once in their lives. Also, what makes you think only abled people will wet the floors and dirty the toilets? I should think disabled people can dirty and wet the toilets too.

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