An Apology
Words once uttered cannot be retracted. In my impatience in trying to futilely get my points across regarding why non-disabled people should not use accessible toilets, I have, in some instances, been tactless, callous and impolite. I may have hurt someone (Jess) in that process. I will not make excuses for those misconducts. I have reflected on that for the past two days, realised that my discourteous behaviour was uncalled for, confessed to my parish priest yesterday and made penance for it.
Further to that, I would like to apologise to Jess whom I had an intense debate at Narcissism Is Necessary. I am sorry for using those unpleasant words. There was no necessity on my part to conduct myself in such a manner. However, I stand by the facts that I have presented. I would like to humbly appeal to you to try to understand the restricted use of accessible toilets from the point of view of disabled persons. There are rationales why they are so.
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October 24th, 2005 at 23:10
Wow, lucky I did not stop to say hello yesterday!
Father Stephen once told us during evening mass, No one can makes you angry, except you yourself. That is the most treasured advice I got from Father Stephen.
October 24th, 2005 at 23:28
Hi Peter, my first time here. Lilian is right i guess. I was an angry teen, and there’s this very very kind priest from Holland, Fr. Murhen (he’s retired now, and gone back to Holland) who said the same words to me. I guess there’r times when at the spur of the moment, u cannot control ur emotions and just haf to spew out those unpleasant words. Hmm.. there arent’ many Catholic bloggers around are there?
Btw, i can’t help noticing but now, with ur ’shaolin’ look, u kinda resemble this singaporean actor. cheers! haf a good day.
October 25th, 2005 at 01:41
Hey Peter,
The old saying goes, “To err is human, to forgive, divine.”
Sometimes its important for us to understand the need to agree to disagree. Its the very core of civilised human interaction.
Voltaire said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”.
Such too is the magic of blogging. The liberty to say what you feel and the realisation that it may not widely accepted.
October 25th, 2005 at 02:01
hey u are contradictin what u preach all the time. shame on u
October 25th, 2005 at 09:36
You CCed the email to all the organisations in Xia Xue’s case. It caused one of her endorsement to stop.
Since you have posted this apology, I wonder if you did CC it to all the organisations mentioned earlier.
Lastly, a piece of advice. Try not to get too much into the public attention. In this Xia Xue’s case, you never know who’s standing on her side. You are risking the donations for the organisations. If there is a reduced amount, you jolly well know what happened. Yes, you reap what you sow.
October 25th, 2005 at 10:11
Peter Dude,
You are, by far, a much larger person than most of us. Your points came accross to me crystal clear.
Futile? Surely not…understand that those who wish to disagree with you on this issue do so mainly for sake of debate. Many have the intelligence to agree with you but choose to play the devil’s advocate. Those who have tried to justify using the disabled loos as their right probably still have half a functioning brain, which is enough (IMHO) to enable them to KNOW right from wrong, decent from indecent and courteous from rude.
Proj on.
October 25th, 2005 at 11:10
Peter - congrats on the campaign to highlight the issue to her sponsors. I know how tiring it must be to have to be fighting ignorant ppl all the time but I for one wish it every success. We may not be able to make realise the error of her ways but we sure can hit her where it hurts the most - and that is her endorsement deals.
October 25th, 2005 at 11:29
Peter…you rock! Let’s bury this issue once and for all. Ppl do as ppl does, monkey do as monkey does. Peace mate.
October 25th, 2005 at 14:26
Peter,
I keep up with your thoughts on this blog quite regularly. I admire your faith-strength and your good works. You inspire me.
I also keep up with xiaxue’s blog. I admire her very different strength and sense of fun. She makes me laugh.
Irregardless of the opinions you both hold, it is an individual’s [right] to opinion that’s important. A comment above catches this clearly. God didnt bless the human race with free will for nothing.
“Hitting her where it hurts” over this stupid arguement is not right. In my opinion, you went too far.
October 25th, 2005 at 14:39
Yeh…I think you went a wee bit overboard this time. Can’t really agree with you.
October 25th, 2005 at 15:00
I agree with savahn that what mooiness say is childish and doesn’t warrant what peter is trying to say in his post. Though it is easy for us to say let’s just end this discussion here, it is clear from wendy’s post that she is furious and that any bit of money do aid her family’s daily life.
Though I do not come from a single parent family, I do know close friends who are anf I can say that their lives are usually not easy to lead, primarily in their struggle to make ends meet and create a comfortable home for their family.
Peter, you may think whether you would like to approach the sponsors again.
October 25th, 2005 at 15:30
hi, i have never been to your blog before and i get this link through xiaxue blog. I won’t deny that u may have ur own point of view against the issue she blog about. But attacks should be towards her topic, not to email her sponsers. This kinda stuffs is like so” underhand.
October 25th, 2005 at 16:11
I don’t buy it. With all the luxuries and indulgences(as shown in her pics and blogs) she’s been having at the expense of friends and family, you think she’s ‘making ends meet’ with money from the endorsing deal? C’mon, people, what does that Pink Poodle gotten into yall? I’m no moral guardian but the way she’s making a fool outha everyone is plain nauseting. And Savahn is partialy correct, ‘Hitting her where it hurts’ is another way to say ‘Getting her to stop dissing on handicapped and people in general or at least ‘think’ before she writes. That was the attempt but after reading her latest adamant and swearing blog on Peter, SHE DESERVES IT.
Peter, you were right all along.
October 25th, 2005 at 16:12
I agree with savahn too. Abit too much..
“…..Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction….” — Martin Luther King
October 25th, 2005 at 16:21
i din really agree with xiaxue on the disabled toilets issue, but i feel that what you did to xiaxue was really low. if you disagree with her, fight back with your blog. who are you to teach her about morality and shame her for not meeting YOUR moral standards. come on, get off your moral high horse already.
October 25th, 2005 at 17:01
I said “hit her where it hurts” because she obviously does not realise that what she says about Malay ppl or the disabled (just to name 2 examples) is wrong and hurtful. And if the only way to make her realise the error of her ways is to disrupt her endorsement deals then so be it.
Attacking Peter and Kimberly personally over this just goes to show that XX’s supporters cannot find a way to justify her words.
Contacting a company is our right as a consumer. Peter just presented the facts (it’s all there on XX’s blog posts) to her sponsors. Hey, Peter couldn’t come up with better evidence than what XX wrote herself even if he tried.
And notice that Peter never sank so low as to swear vulgarities at XX. If you want that, come to my blog. I love swearing just like your beloved idol.
October 25th, 2005 at 18:24
Kimage is outta there! Read their reply to me on the blog. Peter - we couldn’t have done it without your impetus. Ok flamers, I’m ready for ya. Come flame me on my blog.
October 25th, 2005 at 18:43
disgusted, the argument cuts both ways for then someone may turn around and ask who are you (or even I for that matter) to tell Peter what to do, as it would be us then on the high moral horse.
peter, you have apologised and that speaks volumes of you. while xx’s post on the issue is clearly wrong and one that should not be condoned, and, that you recognise where you were wrong to Jess, to apologise, i believe you are big hearted enough to do as jesus said, to turn the other cheek when it comes to xx.
yet please do not stop highlighting about issues of disability and creating awareness. god bless you.
October 25th, 2005 at 18:45
How could you ever done that to the poor girl? I didn’t agree totally with wat she wrote in her blog but now I’m thinking twice. How could you ? It’s her livehood!! Be a gentelman! Why only apologize after all harm be done? Write back to her sponsers and help her get her endorsment back if you are really sorry. After all you just can’t say sorry and walk away after murdering someone in a fit of anger. The dead cannot be brought back to life but in this case you still can fix the hurt you’ve caused. You’ve made your point and we all get that. Be a man and fix it.
Action speaks louder than words. May god bless you always.
October 25th, 2005 at 20:03
when being ask the question, why did u do that, your reply BECOZ IT ALWAYS WORKS just says what kind of person u are.
& yet u still acting so religious with god here n there when u can be so spiteful.
n i always thought the handicapped ppl will tend to have more pride..
maybe i should stop feeling sorry for ppl like u.
October 25th, 2005 at 20:06
As a christian myself, I am deeply disturbed by your actions. When I read XX post, I disagreed with what she said, but I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As a christian, you should know the value of tolerance.
Who are we to judge who is right and wrong? To me, only God is fit to pass judgement. While XX should not have said what she did, did she ever cause harm to anyone? But you take it upon yourself to punish her? Perhaps it is your idea of a crusade?
To go behind a persons back is despicable. I am ashamed that I have fellow christians who behaves like that.
To Moonies,
You are a sad person. So full of hate and bitterness. You take perverse pleasures in seeing others attack each other. I guese, whatever makes you feel happy. I just wonder what made you the way you are?
October 25th, 2005 at 20:38
you’ve made it famous by criticising xx!
her endorsements are down, are you happy?
my point being,
if you’re so named a christian, why are you doing all these, like what Sad said, to go behind people’s back?
it’s very saint of you to have to cut your hair to gain funds, i respect you for that,
but if you know, i agree to her, it’s a priviledge for the handicapped to have their own toilets, but again, many handicaps will want to be treated as normal. If normal singaporeans have to queue for their toilets, handicaps may have to wait too. If a singaporean is in queue infront of a handicapped, he/she should let the handicapped have the toilet,
but if the normal person is already in the toilet ( which was unoccupied minutes ago) , the handicapped should also understand.
what if you’re not in singapore and yet in another country like taiwan etc where not everywhere has a handicapped toilet? Will you go shrieking ” I WANT TO USE THE TOILET FIRST BECAUSE I AM A HANDICAPPED!”
It’s a priviledge.
October 25th, 2005 at 20:41
So many Gutless and Infallible peeps who flamed here and don’t bother to leave their proper e-mail and Blog address. Please be responsible for your comments.
Sad,
sWalloW,
maybe,
disgusted,
savahn,
yen,
LimKopiOpeng.
October 25th, 2005 at 20:56
“Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
And goodness – what God desires – is here (*points to head) and here (*points to heart).
By what you decide to do every day you will be a good man; or not.”
Confront the issue. Not the person. I think you have done grave wrong by attacking her (even if you did not mean to do so in the first place) sponsers and hurting her. She was just expressing her own opinion (albeit recklessly with words). You can either take it or leave it. You chose to hurt her in the most direct manner possible. I think your actions were totally irresponsible.
What if she came and took away your wheelchair? I think its similar to you causing her to lose her endorsements.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:14
Hello there!!
Ecc 7:20
There is no one on earth who does what is right all the time and never makes a mistake.
~You n xx alike..~
in Ecc 7:3
Sorrow is better than laughter; it may sadden your face, but it sharpens yours understanding..
~maybe it wasn’t a bad thing to both of you after all?~
~ blessings~
October 25th, 2005 at 21:25
Agree with what Sad said. I’m not XX supporter, and I was in fact really pissed when she wrote what she wrote about Malaysians. However, I don’t think we’re anyone to judge her actions and whatever she has to say.
If Moonie disagrees with XX and thinks that she’s low, he has stoop even lower than that. Because you don’t agree with her, you took pleasure in taking away her endorsements? You’ve not even been personally attacked or harmed by her. Just because you disgaree with her THOUGHTS, so it’s right for you to attack her by taking away part of her income? The worst part is, you feel so delighted about it. What have you achieved by taking away all the endorsements? Are you just jealous because someone else is earning money out of blogging when you yourself can’t? Seems like it to me. Oh wait, no maybe its because you CARE A LOT about the young generation of Singaporeans.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:30
Hey guys, let it end here. We should stop punishing him further like this. Let bygones be bygones. I think he feels bad enuff. It is only human to err, we all hurt someone else from time to time.
btw, i am also a Christain and i also use the handicap toliet from time to time
October 25th, 2005 at 21:31
If you even bother to read her blog carefully, you will know that she is NOT ATTACKING disabled people, but an individual that is rude. I’m a christian too, i am VERY EXTREMELY DISGUSTED by your underhand methods. yes, you are entitled to your own opinions, you have your reasons, you understand better coz you experience it. she may not understand how important it is to keep the toilet clean, dry and etc.
but that doesn’t give you a reason to punish her ignorance in this manner. what has sponsorship got to do with the issue on disabled toilets? how can you be so malicious? its not about the money, its about YOU SPOILING HER REPUTATION. are you sure this is what a christian should do?
“because it always works” … don’t use your disability as an excuse to do such things. its despicable.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:34
Yes i really agree with you Sad. I still can’t believe you did this kind of things. You went really far. You show yourself to be a very despicable person. I look down on you. Yes. I really look down on you. How can you pretend to be so religious-or-wadeva-shit after you got both her endorsements down. Can the harm be undone? No. And i think evil people like you should perish in hell. no point feeling sorry for you. YUCKS. and you are telling everyone to feel sorry for disabled people. and i suppose most of them have PRIDE unlike you. do you really want a life like this? get a life man. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU ARE VERY NICE OR WADEVA SHIT. CONFESSING OR WADEVA WONT GET HER ENDORSEMENT BACK? WHO DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST? ARE U REALLY A CHRISTIAN?
October 25th, 2005 at 21:34
I have read what she wrote and I knew she would get into trouble with some readers. But I have never expected some readers would actually want harm done to her. Why would anyone do that for? In this world, we are suppose to have a freedom of speech. I agree with her in this point… if you don’t like what she writes, stop reading her for christ sake.
Being a Christian, Peter has apologise and repent. Let’s put it all behind us and move forward. I understand he did it on impulse, but some things done can’t be undone.
Let’s hope there will not be anymore mails sent to hurt others rice bowl from anyone in future. If you are not happy, just stop reading them. Or send nasty remarks etc… Remember, what goes around comes around.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:38
this is just so underhand. cant believe that a small issue could be blown up and one party would resort to underhand means to “hit it where it hurts”. how low can u go?its not right to impose moral standards neither is hitting below the belt a valid excuse to make ur point. u’ve made it clear that’s its wrong and she’s saying that its a one off thing. point taken.
gosh what is this world coming?!
“Moonies,
You are a sad person. So full of hate and bitterness. You take perverse pleasures in seeing others attack each other. I guese, whatever makes you feel happy. I just wonder what made you the way you are?”
i totally agree with Sad.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:46
omg. u tis sickly moron. u r irritating lahs.
October 25th, 2005 at 21:59
I have never liked you, but now I think you hardly have any kindness in your heart. You sound like a big bully. What you did to Xiaxue … does the revenge taste sweet or was it bitter ? She is entitled to her own opinion even though they are different from yours. Why cant you handle that ?
October 25th, 2005 at 22:17
I do not think Peter Tan was apologising to XX so XX’s supporters should read again and again and again and maybe consult some other people who understands English better. Anyway, that’s not important.
What’s wrong with writing to complain to Voxy or Kimage or any endorsers of XX???? If there is no case against her, her endorsers will not retract their endorsement deals.
If I remember correctly as well, XX in her previous post did mention that she was working in a hotel as a banquet staff and she herself wrote a letter complaining about another banquet staff. So? Was she underhanded too in her ways???? She felt that the banquet staff was not doing a good job and therefore wrote to have him removed.
Live by your sword, Die by your sword.
If XX’s so called living expenses is being threatened by endorsers retracting their endorsement deals, then maybe it’s time she started working for a change. Don’t go crying about how hard it is living in a single parent family etc. Do something about it and stop relying on others.
October 25th, 2005 at 22:26
I think you did not get Xiaxue, really. What she meant is that the person using the toilet who scolded another person, as seen by her brother, was rude as although it is his fault that he did not close the door, he scolded the person who accidentally opened the door for doing so without knocking, and that he shouldn’t use the toilet for the physically restricted. That person, coincidentally, happened to be handicapped. All Xiaxue did is to have said it in a little crude way, but it’s her sense of humour that we, her blogders like, really. For you see, usually people do lock doors when they go to toilets, for the lock is actually within the reach of almost anybody, even physically inconvenient people, since the handicapped toilets are specially designed for them. And well, I think you should really understand, for you see, there are not many physically restricted people around, and thus Xiaxue thinks that when there is no phsycially inconvenient people needing to use the toilet, it is okay to use it. She also did emphasize that it is important to actually give up the toilet to a handicapped person in case they want to use it, because after all, the toilet is specially designed for them. For you see, the handicapped toilet is really big and comfortable and all that, and who doesn’t desire the better things of life, even toilets? But the important thing is that Xiaxue understands that the physically restricted does have a priviledge over others in using a handicapped toilet. She may have said it in a rather rude way, but what she actually meant is that *that* person who was at the toilet was wrong, and not handicapped people in general.
Personally, I think that you should have emailed Xiaxue and clarify certain matters with her before making hasty decisions such as writing to the companies she was endorsing for. That’s because personally, I really think that Xiaxue is a frank person and she does not really mean to be impolite to the handicapped. Besides, I think that it wouldn’t be of much use to take away one’s possession so as to stop a person from doing something. For even though she doesn’t do something (say, rude or mean or anything), she would have the thought, and personally I think that it’s actually equally bad. Besides that, I really hope that you can take note of one point, that is, that after all, these brands that she is endorsing for actually does concern her livelihood, and although she may still live quite well without these money, her life may be changed in a negative way. They are, after all, her own possessions, and by doing this, you are actually taking about her possessions. I’m sure we all know how sad it feels when something that you like is taken away from you. Young as I am (14), I do understand how painful it feels like. Xiaxue may have felt really sad, but because she wanna convince people that she is strong, she may have deliberately posted those posts.
I do understand, of course, about how certain matters that people are especially sensitive about infuriates them, because I do feel angry when others talk bad about my school, my friends and all that. But I think that maybe you could have actually calmed down, so that later on, you can already have a clearer view of the whole picture. By then, if you still think that it is ok to email the companies Xiaxue’s endorsing for, then you can do so. I mean, it is more important to have a clear conscience after all, isn’t it?
This is just about how I feel on this incident, and I really hope that you understand what I wanted to tell you about. Good luck for your future endeavours, and stay strong=)
October 25th, 2005 at 22:48
dude. you are one sick person.
October 25th, 2005 at 23:19
now wait a minute, i have yet to see peter admitting to writing the emails.. I am wondering still when did this writing emails all happen.. Unless i did not pay attention, or search carefully..
October 25th, 2005 at 23:19
to break someone’s rice bowl is the most unethical thing one can do to another. XX’s views may be wrong, but that does not mean that you have the right to attack her in that manner. you have employed the ad hominum method of defending your position.
let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
October 25th, 2005 at 23:32
[...] But since Peter said he has gone for confession, I hope the whole thing is settled. [...]
October 25th, 2005 at 23:40
Been ping-ponging over several blogs lately regarding this.
At first I was a bit taken back by that post of hers, because I’m the type who gets appalled if I accidently sit, like say, in the bus underneath the ‘org cacat’ only sign (>> when i first started taking buses =.=”). And she even bad mouthed a handicapped person! At least that was running over the neutrons in my brain over and over.
But read on, I see her point. I’m not offended by her post at all. And all of her posts as well, including the KL one(i still think ppl are overreacting on this).
In fact, I’m glad that she acknowledges a handicapped person as only having a physical disability and not mentally/personality-wise. I don’t know if it’s a good thing or not, but I’m rather confused on this subject. I must admit I give leeway and am more considerate towards people with physical disabilities. Should I or should I not scold them back if they had been rude to me?
However, to have done what you did, it’s a malicious. Even if my lecturer doesn’t know how to teach, I won’t write things in lecturer evaluation forms (even though, anonymous) that will cost him his job. Unless he’s already leaving/left that is (empty comments though). It’s someone’s life, however much or little i do not intend to ruin it.
i think consideration is the key. I think if that there’s no one using the handicapped toilet (or is waiting etc) it’s alright to use it. Actually even in shopping mall where the toilets are brimmed full (women’s toilet… fahamlah), we would line up outside the handicapped cubicle as well. If anyone handicapped comes in, we will definitely give way for her. Or whoever needs it more (pregnant ladies, people who ate something wrong etc). Same goes to bus/LRT seats etc.
I understand we’re all just humans, Emotion over Logic. But you cut someone, the scar will remain. we feel, we hurt and maybe we repent. and the last one is the most important imho. You’ve apologised, but it’s a bit hard retracting shattered chicken feathers. I guess, an apology is as much as you can do, better than nothing. i know what you’ve done for society, and i do admire you for that. btw, bald looks better on you somehow, lol.
Hmm. still am a bit surprised at the online mob against XiaXue. Of course, it’s their opinions.
An if it harms none; do what ye will.
October 25th, 2005 at 23:44
You are plain dispicable. To scheme and write in to XX sponsors simply becos you didn’t agree with her point of view, or didn’t like what you read on her blog. To think that you are a full grown adult man, and not a 11 yr old kid, yet you do such things and call yourself a Christian. SHAME ON YOU, PETER TAN!
October 26th, 2005 at 00:48
Hey…just read both of you and XX’s blogs…i do admit that maybe XX may have been insensitive in posting her thoughts (in that particular way anyway) but it was all done in gd fun. It was never meant to hurt anyone nor to put anyone down. However Peter, what u have done..you have deliberately hurt someone and that can not be forgiven…Being a Christian (infact for believers of any religion - i’m a free-thinker), i believe that as long as ur conscience is clear, no harm can come to you. What you have done simply shows that ur God has not gotten through to you (despite wat He had done to save humankind). i come from a single-parent family too and i know how hard it is to earn money to support the whole family. XX, despite “showing off” (if it pleases you ppl that i put it that way) her branded stuffs, she had earned them through her sheer own efforts. No one has the right to take that away from her.
Because of a comment about handicaps using hadicapped toilets and it got you so adamant enough to harm her in order to get your points across…i must say that was much worse than what XX had done (if you believed that she’s wrong in the 1st place).
Another thing which i do not understand is how can anyone feel better once thay have confessed their guilts to their respective Gods? Only the person you have caused the harm to can forgive you…
Peter, hereby i wish you well and i believe you honestly made a mistake and i hope you do learn from your mistakes and never commit them again.
October 26th, 2005 at 01:07
Right, so this entry isn’t about Xiaxue, and I’ve just taken some time to read that whole debate on Kimberly’s blog. Sad to say, I am seriously appalled.
What about Kimberly insulting Jess’s ability as a mum? I think that was really uncalled for even though Jess didn’t make much sense there. In fact, Jess was big enough to apologise to both you and Kimberly, but did the both of you even acknowledged that or bothered accepting it graciously?
As for you, Peter, for someone who plays such an active role in promoting and campaigning the rights for PWD, I must say you’ve conducted himself in a really unprofessional manner. If you want to make address an issue, do it with more class so your message gets across. Good on you for apologising, but can I just mention it took you a good 5 days to do just that?
October 26th, 2005 at 01:21
Reading the number of comments regarding this, I’m sure you get the point. I’m not a XX supporter, but I do read her blog sometimes because she writes with humour. I may not agree with all that she said, and certainly do not like the use of vulgarities but it’s just her.
As a Christian myself, I feel that you should apologise to her personally (through email at least) for judging her so harshly for what is purely, her opinions and experiences. Moreover, her opinions are not meant to harm anyone. I feel that it is right for you to write back to her sponsers to clarify the matter so that her reputation will not be smeared because of this. Maybe she will not be able to get her endorsements back, but on your part, u really should try to repair whatever you have damaged.
In my opinion, having special toilets for the disabled is a privilege by society. Normal people should be able to ultilise it but if there is a disabled around, piority should/must be give to the person.
I feel that although you have done a confession (to God), there is still a need to repair the damage (to Man). God bless.
October 26th, 2005 at 01:34
judge not and you will not be judge
(general comment, regarding no spesific individual but applicable to all)
October 26th, 2005 at 01:37
gn,
I find it real interesting that you said you won’t write things in evaluation forms even though your lecturer can’t teach. How is that going to justify you (or your parents) spending big bucks on college tuition? I believe we should get what we paid for. If my prof doesn’t know how to teach for nuts I’d definitely file a complain to the appropriate dept. I worked my ass off to cover some of the tuition fees and I expect to get what I deserve.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic.
October 26th, 2005 at 01:37
rancangan tergendala untuk sesi penutupan infotainment.
harap semua terkilan sudah. pergi tidur. terima kasih.
October 26th, 2005 at 02:06
I find your penance incomplete if you have not sought the forgiveness of xiaxue. The rules of penance is always to seek the forgiveness of God, and the offended.
Your actions leaves me to conclude that you do not feel that you have done anything wrong in sending the emails. I find the roundabout approach distasteful
October 26th, 2005 at 02:51
You’re Malaysian?
You should be exiled.
Are you sure you’re Malaysian.
So many years of living in a multiracial country and you have learnt nothing about giving and taking, compromising and understanding that everyone WILL have and are entitled to their own opinion.
My opinion?
Not everything can be seen in black and white. Sometimes there is a grey area of compromise.
My grandmother was an able bodied person save a weak bladder, even at the age of 84. We would bring her to normal toilets.. but if there were toilet staff around, they’d always insist she use the disabled one for convenience.
October 26th, 2005 at 03:23
You’re Malaysian?
You should be exiled.
Are you sure you’re Malaysian.
So many years of living in a multiracial country and you have learnt nothing about giving and taking, compromising and understanding that everyone WILL have and are entitled to their own opinion.
My opinion?
Not everything can be seen in black and white. Sometimes there is a grey area of compromise.
My grandmother was an able bodied person save a weak bladder, even at the age of 84. We would bring her to normal toilets.. but if there were toilet staff around, they’d always insist she use the disabled one for convenience.
When I was at the airport, I had a trolley full of huge bags and there was no way I could go into the normal toilet without leaving them behind. I was going to leave them behind anyway and pray no one would steal anything.. A very kind airport staff ushered me to the disabled toilet (I could wheel the entire trolley in) but told me to be really quick.
You’re very self-righteous.
You portray yourself to be charitable and kind person but what you did was so VERY unkind. For whatever reason that you strongly believed in, I think what you did was too harsh. After reading XX’s entry, I believe she wasn’t being malicious. Immature maybe, insensitive perhaps. I could even justify her words but saying it was pure stupidity. I can’t justify your actions with anything other than the words ’spiteful’ and ‘malicious’.
There are more than one side to every story.. what would be your words?
Shameful.
I’m not a christian but almost all my friends are. They are very nice people and I was ready to generalize that christians, on the whole, are a nice bunch due to the religious teachings or any other factors. How naive of me.
Lesson learnt.
If there is something you suceeded in doing, it was not in making the world a better place. So you swatted one fly. There are millions of others. You can’t shut all loudmouths with controversial opinions. You can, however, lose any respect people have ever had for you. It takes years to build a good reputation, a day or less to tarnish it.
Food for thought.
You got XX’s endorsements revoked. Perhaps in light of your actions towards her, any charitable organization that might have wanted to donate to your cause would have revoked it. Your actions are after all a representation of what you stand for. And since what you did to her is making bigger news than what you did for whoever else, others might not want to be associated with an image of such a mean person. Do everyone a favour. Think what you did over, if you still think its right, go campaign with kimberly in bringing down ‘bad models of society’ and put yourself on the list of ‘bad models’.
October 26th, 2005 at 03:43
It’s disgusting when handicapped people exploit their disabilities to the fullest extent, and use it to manipulate others just “because it always works”. Remember that whatever little extras that handicapped people have in society is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. The rest of the world do NOT owe the disabled a living. We’re all what we make of ourselves in this world. You should not demand that others pity and give way to you.
You lament on and on about “understand(ing) the restricted use of accessible toilets from the point of view of disabled persons.” You also wrote “And then there was one who haughtily gave justification for using such toilets because she considered herself temporarily disabled. Why? Because menses was dribbling down her thighs.” Now, how about YOU try to understand how we women feel about “menses dribbling down (our) tighs” 5 days every month? Not only do you use chauvinistic words against the general female gender, you also think that it is ok for women to wait in line with “menses dribbling down (their) tighs”, whilst a nearby handicapped toilet goes unused. I pretty much think that “menses dribbling down tighs” is very justified as an emergency if no one else is using the handicapped toilet.
You actually think that making confessions and penances will solve everything. That be the case I guess all the terrorists will go to heaven. How can you be both religious and malicious at the same time? Instead of making such a big deal over ONE girl’s opinion, going so far that she loses her income, why don’t you campaign for other WAY MORE pressing issues? Like pollution? Or famine? Or female rights? Or war? Or something more useful than killing someone’s ricebowl.
Just goes to show what kind of person you are.
October 26th, 2005 at 03:58
This is my first time here and I applaud your efforts to highlight the plight of the disabled , and aged. and I also admire your apology to Jess when you realise you erred. As for XX, she is a public figure and like all public figures if they continue spreading insensitivites and hatred, they should not be representing companies. Same for politicians, they erred they resign. Unlike XX who has a record of making bad judgements and instead of apologising, start her drama queen wailing of My grandpa grandma loves me even if you dont and the latest, I’m from a single inome family.. you would think with her background she would have more compassion.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:56
you have a lot of space for improvement.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:43
Honestly speaking, I think you should take off the label of Catholic from your blog. I know so many great Catholics and I hate to imagine them in the same category as you. Some form of apology, indeed! You’re nothing but hypocritical, sly, vindictive–so, what ever happened to ‘if your brother offends you, first apologize TO HIM before you go and offer up your sacrifices’? So much for being the meek and loving salt of the earth, huh.
I honestly doubt you really feel sorry for your actions. From what I can read in your apology, you haven’t even gotten to the point of forgiving her. Go you, for fooling people into thinking you actually mean it, yeah?
October 26th, 2005 at 11:58
“…I may have hurt someone in that process…”
this doesnt sound apologetic to me. or am i jux too sensitive? u HAVE INDEED hurt someone in the process, and u are not admitting your mistake by using the word “may”. “may” shows uncertainty or am i wrong?
“…confessed to my parish priest yesterday and made penance for it…”
im a free thinker myself, and so does xiaxue, i suppose. if someone backstabbed me and then went to repent to his/her God, will YOUR God come to me and apologise for his/her sake??!!! [and meanwhile use some magic or wadvever to amend his/her mistakes?] so i should be a christian huh? so then i can burn down houses, rob banks and stuff and then repent to God, and im a free man. guilt? no way, i have repent to my God remember?
truly speaking, you WERE a great man with lots of love towards others. [at least on the surface] but this time u have really gone too far. u dont like what xiaxue say in her blog, u wrote in to her sponsors. so now i dont like what u have written [menses was dribbling down her thighs], should i go around singapore and urge the public NEVER to donate to the charity organisation(s) u are committed to? urge big bosses NEVER employ female employees with disabilities because menses maybe dribbling down her thighs huh?
October 26th, 2005 at 12:01
Hello Peter.
I admire you for so clearly proclaiming your faith and beliefs. And I admire you for being strong enough to put all this behind you.
However, as Christians, we carry not only our own name but also the name of our Father in heaven. And thus, we should really think twice about what we say and do.
Reading Xiaxue’s comments saddens me, because many of her readers have taken the opportunity to flame all Christians based on this incident. How many of them will walk away with a negative impression of our religion and our God, simply because of this? How many will lose their salvation?
I know it was not your point to bring in religion.
But it is inevitable.
And it is the most unfortunate side effect of this entire debate.
It’s always not what WE will to do, but what will please our Father in heaven, that we SHOULD be doing.
Cheers.
October 26th, 2005 at 12:04
I completely agree with romantic. if she thinks herself a celebrity she should learn to behave like one (under our assumed code of conduct for celebrity behaviour).
One formal complaint and her endorsement/s is/are out? Quite surprising, considering marketing folks don’t just sign people on and off just like that. They’ve got brains too you know, and surely they’ve done their research. Give them credit alright. How can two mostly small-time bloggers cos her to lose her job is unthinkable. From a marketing perspective, detractors are commmon but they can be managed with good PR/customer service. IMHO, this affair gave them the opportunity to pull out, fast!
Trust her readers to cry foul over this event. If you’re a consumer and you’re unhappy you have every right to complain, just as XX does on her blog. IF she considers herself mass media and/or celebrity writing on her blog has far-reaching implications more than any letter will ever have. I used to enjoy XX until her rants got more and more egotistical and overbearing. I’m sorry to say that once a daily reader her actions have become such a turnoff that i rarely, if ever, go to her blog anymore. Her posts are offensive and if she keeps writing that way and relying only on her whinging self, then really, there’s no point being part of her readership.
October 26th, 2005 at 12:16
Dear Peter,
I may have come across as condescending in my first(ever) comment. This was not my intention.
Peter if I may, there are weak people, meek people and strong people. I count myself as one of the meek and you, the strong. I have no blog, no voice …I usually shy away from contraversy, conflict and generally any strife amongst people. But I do believe that you did the right thing in your actions against xx, and then some when you posted an apology (though I feel it was uneccessary - like I said, you ARE a bigger person).
You have become a voice for those who have none and I look up to you for that. In my book, you are a heaven sent equalizer
and… uh… mob1900 - I wasn’t flaming Peter k? In fact I visit your blog too because you an equalizer for us small folks too!
October 26th, 2005 at 12:38
Correction is needed: ‘I may have hurt someone in that process.’
Nono, you already have hurt her in that process. Too proud to admit that? I thought all your pride went with you while you emailed the companies.
October 26th, 2005 at 12:46
I’ve always respected people with disabilities for I think they have more heart than “normal” people. But you have somehow proven me wrong. What she said is wrong (I find myself disagree-ing to some of her opinions), but what you’ve done is worst. I symphatised you and stood by you when I read yu arguments but after finding out what you’ve done, I know I am not the only immature person in this world.
When only confess to your priest? It is not his life you help in ruining… Yes, she indirectly threatened her own income when she decided to write that entry, but uncle Peter, you helped the process. You can sleep better after only confessing to a priest? Why not continue fighting against her belief but in a more “mature” way? I am sure more ppl will symphatise, I know I will.
October 26th, 2005 at 13:08
Dear friends, on reading the blog entry closely, I would feel (my opinion) that Peter seems to want this whole row to be done with. Like he said, things flare up when words/opinions/actions happen which strike a chord inside us. Despite not feeling ‘wrong’ (opinions are an individual’s take on issues - right or wrong shouldn’t be an issue), he has had the humility to apologise for his behaviour in a fit of emotion, which happens to many of us almost daily. Everyone has their own views and a proposition to debate/argue will be responded by opposition.
A suggestion perhaps - enjoy casual reading of blogs as a way of broadening your perspective on people. Many differing views, attitudes, opinions are out there. Don’t take things personal. I made that mistake many years ago on my church youth forum, and in the end, it felt so silly, and the only thing fit to do was reconcile and respect differing views. Really, making a daily effort to reflect (not to agree or accept, just reflect and make your own of it) on thoughts conflicting with your own will end up helping you to understand life and people so much better. I read a few blogs regularly, including XX and Digital Awakening, and taking an open mind into it helps you to see both the good and the bad in people. A beautiful world, because of it’s sweetness and bitterness.
But hey, when someone decides he/she has had enough (my opinion), then it is time for the issue to fall away. I too am Catholic, and after receiving the sacrament of reconciliation, I would really hope not to stoop down to a level that made me feel i needed to confess in the first place! Being human, we are not perfect and we fall but pick ourselves up again and try to be better persons in future. A few comments to this entry just serve to show the disregard for Peter’s decision to let the ugly side of the matter rest. You may be angry or feel strongly for your side of the battlefront, but if the other side lays down his sword, do find it in your hearts to do the same. It probably is high time we all just lay the matter to REST. Let’s do precisely that ok? We got enough wars in the world already. LAY THE ISSUE TO REST. Let’s learn to live as one with our diversity of thought and kind. ok, that last line just sounded cliche, but its relevant! =)
October 26th, 2005 at 13:23
What you have done, ie. to email companies who endorses XX, is really low and shallow. As a fellow catholic, I am flabbergasted at your actions.
No doubt you have received the sacrament of reconciliation, but the damage is already done. You are a bad example of a catholic.
And please do not use the Lord’s name in vain.
October 26th, 2005 at 13:32
Perhaps it is true that what Xiaxue said on her blog is of bad taste and rather insensitive towards handicapped people, but by going after her sponsors, you have lowered yourself to her level. No, in fact, I should say that you have gone even lower than she has ever gone.
All she was doing was expressing her opinions regarding certain issues on her blog. That’s the whole point of a blog anyway, isn’t it? To express your opinions freely, and for everyone to see, something like a personal diary where people can get an insight into what one has to say. I may not neccesarily agree with what xiaxue posts on her blog all the time, but I do not go as far as to complain about her actions to her sponsors, something that may jeopardise her source of income, and affects her in a big way. You think it is a RIGHT to have a nice clean toilet? Likewise, it is also a RIGHT to have freedom of speech.
Do you honestly think that this post about you repenting and confessing to your priest will change things? The damage has been done. You have caused 2 of her sponsors to pull out. It’s a bit like cutting someone with a knife, then saying sorry and expecting the scars to disappear. And even if you did write back to her (former) sponsors and apologise to everyone and ask her sponsors to take her back on board, I doubt they would do it , as you have already sown the seeds, and tarnished her image.
I would have thought that an adult like you would have been able to see the folly in your actions. Xiaxue indirectly insulted handicapped people on her blog, and you respond by pulling out all the stops to hurt her. I thought this kind of thing only happened in playgrounds, between immature children. You are no better than her. And honestly, I think that you’re even worse. What’s the point in raising so much money for charities involving disabled people, when you have such an aggresive stance towards non-handicapped people like xiaxue? In a way, you are being discriminative towards her. It’s so stupid, it’s not funny.
October 26th, 2005 at 13:37
peter might have had wrong intentions but he’s not entirely to blame. for one, workplace disputes are so common whats the big deal?? moreover, you gotta look at the response of the companies who withdrew. peter has limited amount of influence, if theres anyone to blame it’s the companies themselves. they were xx’s employers and they “fired” her, with reasons they might not disclose. and one thinh, xx is well aware of her media influence so it’s her fault for writing so disparaging of others.
if xx has workers rights, use them.
October 26th, 2005 at 14:05
For those who have thought that this apology post written by Peter was about the letters or to xx, pls read again carefully. *roll eyes*
To James who left a comment (and others who lashed out Peter), you wrote:
so now i dont like what u have written [menses was dribbling down her thighs], should i go around singapore and urge the public NEVER to donate to the charity organisation(s) u are committed to? urge big bosses NEVER employ female employees with disabilities because menses maybe dribbling down her thighs huh?
You do that, by all means, and see if any organizations give a hoot about your “cause”? Has it ever crossed your mind that the companies may have also thought that what she wrote or even advocated was wrong and thus withdrawn the endorsement? You seriously think that by one or maybe two persons writing to the companies telling them to do something and they would immediately do it, as if they don’t have a mind of their own? Are you saying that IF i write to Body Shop today threatening not to buy their products unless they start testing their products on animals, then Body Shop will just do it? See, you can give ridiculous examples, so can i.
And pls, enough of those “single-parent family” and “hurting her livelihood” crap. This is practically insulting all those who came from single-parent family, work very hard, lead a simple life, and strive on in the face of adversities instead of whining about how they have been victimized.
October 26th, 2005 at 16:09
Yo guys, stop it, especially those name calling peoples as well as those bringing in Christian/Catholic issue peoples. The act that you doing to Peter/XX is no different than what XX or Peter did to each other. Calling Peter/XX with names, trying to bring him down with harsh words, making him pay for the consequences to XX is not going to do the work, just like what they did.
I used handicap toilet once in 1-U cinema when the normal toilet is so jam up and the handicap toilet is empty for so long. XX have her point, so as Peter. It’s a case by case situation, where XX is saying the need to use since it’s empty all the time and Peter, on the other hand, is when the disable really need to use it. You can see how peter was carried away by the issue. Look at the comments you put, it’s the same what happen to peter, you get carried away. At the end, everyone is just trying to make things easier and convenient for everyone.
Learn how to comment and do things, like voicing agree/disagree, pointing out the mistakes that you think will do. DO NOT bring in religion nor name callings, it does not do the job, nor make you any better or closer to god. There are lots of wise people here who know how to comment and voice out their opinion, carefully look how they do it.
Hope you get my point. Just my thoughts.
October 26th, 2005 at 16:12
Let’s all give it a rest, ok. People make mistakes. There is a difference between those that have made mistakes but defend them vigorously, and those that have made mistakes but realize how grave they are and feel remorse for it. Should we go on harping about it, even after someone feels bad about it. Shouldn’t we act as adults and realize that if someone feels bad about it, they will eventually sort it out. Shouldn’t the by-standers, cut the people involved some slack.
Remember, hate is contagious, and when it spirals, no one can assume control over it. Let’s keep hate in check and give reason a chance eh.
There are better things to do then harping on other people’s mistake. Like blogging about the chill of the rain or the beauty of the morning sun. Like taking steps to ensure everyone around the world have proper sanitation system. Like loving your neighbour.
October 26th, 2005 at 18:35
i hate you !!! long live Xialanxue !!!
October 26th, 2005 at 19:40
hey you act like a saint . so are you? oh please stop being [ACTING] so PERFECT . are u sure u have reflected on what you have done . oh yeah im sure u did since you are perfect what . stop minding other people’s business . keep your nose to yourself la . who u think u are . really a SAINT ah . dont make me puke . maybe you should just go eat sH*t and drink your ur*ine . save the world’s resources . cos you’re wasting them .
October 26th, 2005 at 20:17
I really hope u won’t repeat ur own mistake (referring to ur past malicious actions to someone whom u do not know or understand in person) again & that u really repented.
Seriously, u need to review ur faith and teachings of the roman catholic.
Be kind to ur peers and pls DO NOT judge them (esp to someone whom u don’t know or understand in person) by some issues that u might have misinterpreted.
Be kind to people and people will be nice to you.
God bless.
October 26th, 2005 at 20:51
Peter you bad! I hate you! ROFLLFT
October 26th, 2005 at 21:21
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. are you a christian? or a catholic? what’s a roman catholic christian? there is no such thing.christian is christian.catholic is catholic.please clarify.
by the way,mooiness,shut up already. you are just using peter tan to attack xiaxue.
October 26th, 2005 at 22:06
hi, clicked on your link from xiaxue’s site.
well, everyone has their points and all. but i think it’d be good to think before you react. how angry you are, you have to cool down and think it through before react.
there’s no point going for confession, cause whatever you said/did to the other person is done. and that person has to live with it even after you confessed.
always remember the “banging of nail into board” story.
=)
October 26th, 2005 at 22:12
regarding your post “…i may have hurt someone in that process…” and “…confessed to my parish priest yesterday and made penance for it…”
this is the worst excuse I heard from anyone so far, you think that the confessions made to the priest can undo your sinful actions? confessing to the priest IS WAY EASIER THAN APOLOGIZING TO THE PERSON YOU HAVE HURT. You are so egoistic and ignorant that it showed inside here:”…i may have hurt someone in that process..”, you are still justifying that you think you did not hurt her, and you did not make efforts to explain to the endorsement companies. It doesn’t mean that although she’s a bitch then you do not have to apologize although you have wronged her.
“words said cannot be undone”. just brilliant, go confess your sins and just still let her endorsement die like that. you are being selfish, unforgivable.
maybe somebody should just stab you at the back, leave you dying there, and go confess to a priest instead, don’t forget you are still lying there and left to die
then you’ll know how others feel).
October 26th, 2005 at 22:58
Peter,
No worries, mate. Everyone lashes out, once in a while. After all, we’ll explode, if we just keep it all in to ourselves.
We are human, after all, and to be human is to err.
At least you did the right thing, you apologized ^_^ And that makes you a real man, in my eyes.
October 26th, 2005 at 23:31
Hi Wan Zafran, he did not apologize to Xiaxue.
October 26th, 2005 at 23:38
I don’t see there’s a need for Peter to apologize to xiaxue since when did she apologize to those countless of people whom she has hurt? DUH!!! xiaxue should stop putting blames on others like Peter or Kim for all these that has happened to her because we shouldn’t doubts the capabilities of these marketing people in Kimage and Voxy in doing some well researched about her before they make such a decision. Kudos to Kimage and Voxy!!!
October 26th, 2005 at 23:38
Why THE HELL ARE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE BRINGING UP RELIGIOUS ISSUES? So what if Peter is a Christian or a Catholic or neither? If you asked/said who is Peter to Judge. Then who the heck are you to judge PETER on whether he is a good Christian/Catholic or not? ALL YOU FREAKING PEOPLE HAVE NOT COMMITED ANY SINS BEFORE?
Oh HOW angelic….. Hypocrites!
October 26th, 2005 at 23:43
i say once again,
You said that “Repeated use and abuse will damage and make the toilets dirty, wet and unusable to disabled persons”.
I say, does it mean that disabled people wil not dirty and damage the toilet?
I have disabled friends, but i do not see that they need any sympathy from anyone.
Moreover, they wanna enjoy what the normal people are going through,
waiting for toilets,
queueing up for food.
Should i even say, next time there should be a queue for food specially for disabled people?
how about a special colored toilet sign for the colorblinds, since red ( for lady’s toilet) cant be seen to the colorblinds?
I SAY.
it is a priviledge than a right.
October 26th, 2005 at 23:45
Oh and here Peter is moderating my posts. If Xiaxue can moderate posts and Peter and moderate posts, i dont see why the comment from previous entry says ” while xx approves nicer posts, she moderates the evil ones” meanings.
COME ON. moderating posts are like SO NORMAL. even i moderate my post.
It’s a blog, MY blog, Your blog, Peter’s blog, XX’s blog
so what’s with the moderation?
Narrow-mindeds.
October 26th, 2005 at 23:54
You did the right thing.
October 27th, 2005 at 00:08
Ya, i think u went too far. if u reali got such strong opinion in wat xia xue said in her blog, maybe u cld hab told her directly, there is realli no need for u to email so many pple and her companies to put her down. i believe kimage n voxy n those local brands got their own eyes to read, there is realli no need for you to do tt.
both u n xia xue got diff pt of views regarding this issue, n me, being a neutral party, i won’t say anyone of you is wrong, but when u spread it ard, it becums another issue. what you did simply show that you want to win ppl’s support. and show how insecure you are. your pt of view sld be within your own blog, why the need to spread it around?
regards.
October 27th, 2005 at 00:37
peter you are just jeles because XX rejected your advances!!! long line Xialanxue!!!!
October 27th, 2005 at 00:45
Peter, Peter, Peter…
I think you really have overreacted this time. Clearly, you have not read XX’s blog entry clearly enough. You have only taken in the lines that are controversial, and ignored the lines that clarifies the issue.
It’s HER right to blog about anything she wants to, because, thats HER blog and HER opinion. Therefore, I dont think you have any right use her own opinions against her. I’d like to add this: the entry was REALITY, it doesnt represent the entire handicapped community. She was only against A MAN. It’s not her fault that he happened to be handicapped. It’s his attitude he’s against, no the handicapped community. Yes, you are entitled to the right to comment. However, you have taken you entitlement overboard to attack her. You, PETER TAN, have ruined her career and her source of income, AND, DEFAMED her far and wide. In my opinion, she has done well in endorsing those products, and that she does not deserve to lose something because someone just doesnt seem to agree with everything she says. Even if you wish to teach her, i would say you’re not her father.
Sure, you have claimed to be sorry and have confessed and so on. Sad to say, this is nothing compared to the damages that you have create to harm another. You should at least, try to reverse or minimise some of the damages. I hope you have already apologised to XX, by email or comment, and sent a clarification mail to whoever you have sent that cruel mail to.
This, I think, is a misunderstanding brought too far. I sincerely hope that you have learnt your lesson. Bless you.
October 27th, 2005 at 01:24
To XX Suporters,
I do not condone what Peter has done, but please refrain from insulting him. Especially those who attack him personally. I think he has enough problems of his own (both because of XX and his physical health), and even if you wamt to criticize, asking him to “go and die” or “eat s#it” isn’t the least bit constructive.
Peter,
I just wanted to add that I understand you went for confession. Clearly, you felt that something you did was not right. And I do believe that if a person truly asks God for forgiveness, he will receive it. BUT, getting the priest’s forgiveness and saying penances is not enough. You must TRULY repent.
If you truly want to repent, show it. Be specific. I’m sure when you went to XX’s sponsers, you were extremely clear why she was a bad role model. So why not be equally clear about who you have hurt and make it up to the person. Be sincere.
Whether intentional or not, christianity or catholism (if you prefer) is being dragged through the mud. Sure, people are shallow, but why give them the chances or the reason to use this as an example to show how ugly christians can be. Think about it.
Why not show that christians can truly repent and be genuinely about rectifying their mistakes. Do not give half hearted or insincere (or as same people put it, ambigious) apologies. Take this chance to be the bigger man, and do christians proud.
Peter, just tell me one thing, do you at all feel at fault for how you went behind XX’s back?
October 27th, 2005 at 01:25
c’mon guys, give it a break… what’s done is done, give it a rest… all this is getting real dumb…
October 27th, 2005 at 01:39
Peter,
For goodness sake, shut your comment board. What are you trying to achieve? Can’t you see that you are allowing all these people to smear the good name of our Catholic church? What do we get out of these names calling? If this goes on, I would say that you are dragging our Catholic church into the mess over that stupid issue. Shut this comment and move on with your next posting or wateva. These accusations, using the Lord’s name and making fun of Christians are disgusting enough.
October 27th, 2005 at 01:52
you appology is not acceptable. you do not kill a child who belongs to a mother of 5 children then say sorry and tell her that at least she has 4 left. you have hurt people and regardless of the amount of care for hospice thingys you do for others will not redeem a sin.
i hope XX forgives you because you are not worth hating.
October 27th, 2005 at 03:23
I am backing what Peter Tan did. I would have done the same. The reason being, people like Xiaxue thinks that she can say what she likes, which can undermine all the effort of what people were trying to do to fight for the Rights of Disabled People.
In Singapore where Xiaxue come from, I know personally the individuals from the Singapore Handicapped Association who worked with the Singapore Government, such as the HDB, and the Public Works Department during the evening and weekends, sacrificing their spare time and their family time so to get the guidelines for disabled toilets and other facilities on board for disabled people to use.
What happens in Singapore is made an example in Malaysia and other Asian and Pacific countries as UNESCAP in the 90s when UNESCAP adopted the Singapore guidelines and trained people from all over Asia to fight for the rights of disabled people. Although this is about Accessibility, it touches and effect many other issues relating to disability.
Many of us in the forum may not know that there are kids out there who are disabled that did not get further in life because the environment is disabling, for example, I know of people stopped schooling just because after 12 years old their parents cannot carry them up the flight of stairs anymore, and the added burden on low income earners of disabled kids’ parents affecting their life’s chances. So many issues, that need to be forefront but we can only managed to highlight about Accessibility, which when looking at how developed countries had done it, were the first issues to be highlighted. We in Asia have still a very long way to go.
So Brand Names like Xiaxue or whatever it may be (such as any other famous bloggers or personalities) or McDonalds, Marks and Spencers, News Strats Times, Malaysian Airlines, STAR LRT or whatever business out there, please be ready when you start critising and putting down disabled people and their rights. We will fight back. We are no pushovers!
October 27th, 2005 at 03:38
misinterpretation is the key word here.
she didnt insult disabled ppl. she juz stated her views in HEr blog for heaven’s sake.
infact i feel that u have insulted a fellow blogger and caused her to lose her endorsements.
this is a sin.
and whatever that has been said cannot be taken back. u shld do some self reflection.
before u start hurting ppl pls think of this
Eph 4:32
Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
October 27th, 2005 at 04:01
“… people like Xiaxue … undermine all the effort of what people were trying to do to fight for the Rights of Disabled People.”
By saying that one handicap man was rude? Maybe you do not fully understand the meaning of undermind. She was insensitive, yes. But arent you pushing it a little too far? Or maybe you just want to believe what you want, rather than listen with reason and logic. Mind you, no one is saying xx is right. People are just saying what Peter did was underhand.
The rest of your comments simply digress from the topic. All the facts you quote are not even relevant. I don’t mean to insult, but you need a lesson on arguementative writing. You quote facts that aims at confusing others and creating an impression that you know a lot when in actual fact, is completely off topic.
How is all these even vaguely related to what xx said?
“We will fight back.”
Thats what every terrorist says. That is how wars starts. It is precisely because of people like you, that the world is such an ugly place. Ask Peter if these are christian values? Of course, I’m not saying you cant do what you do. Please go ahead. Honestly, Ive little concern what kind of a person you are.
However, a site with a christian owner, seeking donations from people should realize he does to a varying extend represent all christians, and should conduct himself better.
October 27th, 2005 at 05:00
At the end of the day, this post and the Oct 17th post, and all of it is about Disabled People’s Rights. XX is a Public Personality. She should know better than to put down “Disabled People’s Rights”. She endorses a view where she “flippantly” used the issue in her blog, which is her style, to put down an issue which is “central” to a “fight” for disabled rights. Accessible toilets, believe it or not, is a Big Issue for disabled people.
Hence, I am saying that what Peter did was right. Peter is very nice to be apologetic and all, but seeing that he gets hammered in this blog, I would like to point out an argument that people should not hammer him because of this Rights Issue. That is my point.
October 27th, 2005 at 06:20
My good man, going to your priest is no good. You need to pray to God directly, ask for forgiveness and pray that you change your ways. Penitence is alright if you mean repentence. Remorse is not enough. To sin, feel remorse, and then continue in that sin, is not real repentence. If Jesus taught anything he taught us “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” as well as “love thy neighbour” which INCLUDES enemies. I do not see much love here.
October 27th, 2005 at 06:30
YOU HAVE DONE WELL MY SATANIC APPRENTICE.
I WILL LET YOU BURN IN HELL YOU MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
I WILL ALLOW YOU TO BRING YOUR PARENTS IN AS WELL.
BURN BABY BURN.
October 27th, 2005 at 09:07
i wonder if anyone noticed that these bloggers are arguing about TOILETS here. no no just think about it for a moment. toilets. ok.
i dont understand why this peter guy is so passionate about handicapped toilets. i mean whats the big deal? its a toilet for gods sakes. peter already knows that using handicapped toilets is stated in the united nations malaysia law blabla. shouldnt he be satisfied already? i mean if he catches someone using the handicapped toilet he can just report it right?
i personally feel that some disabled people take their disabilities for granted. yes, they are not like us but they have to understand they are not above us either. we are all people and we are all equal in the eyes of god. i dont think if he were here he would treat petertan or xiaxue any different from each other whether they are disabled or not. besides disabled people can do amazing things sometimes even better than us able bodied ones.
petertan just has to come to terms with himself that not everyone shares his opinion and he is not always right. why so much anger? relax.
October 27th, 2005 at 09:56
xiaxue was merely expressing her opinions and experiences and she DID not deserved what you did. By cutting off her income through writing to her sponsors and cc-ing your email to all the charities, you have stooped lower than any person can. She at least have the very integrity of not mincing her words, standing by what she said and paying a price for it - your dogged determination to break her. your confession is not going to change that unless you do something constructive. i.e. apologise to XX and cc it to EVERYONE you send the first mail to.
You could have tried to impart your values or expressed your thoughts to her, so that she can learn to empathise with whomever you wanted her to empathise with. and NOT, try to take revenge. Your behaviour have