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	<title>Comments on: Ruckus Outside Parliament Building &#8211; Is This Malaysian Culture?</title>
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		<title>By: T-Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, I&#039;d rather listen to my grandfather&#039;s advice to his children; he was in UMNO during their foundation and ended up being one of their elder statesmen:

&quot;Don&#039;t go into politics. These young turks -- they don&#039;t know how to play decently or fairly any more.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Peter:
Very true those words. If there are more wise people like your grandpa, we would not be in the political mess we are in now.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I&#8217;d rather listen to my grandfather&#8217;s advice to his children; he was in UMNO during their foundation and ended up being one of their elder statesmen:</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t go into politics. These young turks &#8212; they don&#8217;t know how to play decently or fairly any more.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Peter:<br />
Very true those words. If there are more wise people like your grandpa, we would not be in the political mess we are in now.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: T-Boy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it this way, Peter.

We could have had a culture of vigorous, passionate and yet civil debate. We could; all we would have had to do was allow people to speak, allow people to argue and fight it out and make fools out of themselves and others.

What happened instead was that we ended up with a culture of high-handed repression disguised as morality. Suppression of dissent in the name of &quot;Asian values&quot;.

Let me tell you something. Either you let people speak, or you let what they have to say fester. And when it festers, it becomes poisonous.

At this point, mob culture &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; our culture. And it must be. Because if you don&#039;t let it out now, if you don&#039;t let these people burn themselves out and discredit themselves &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; suffer the consequences of their actions (freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequence, or freedom from response), it will get worse.

So let them riot. Let them be indecent. And yes, &lt;em&gt;punish&lt;/em&gt; them if they go too far, if they engage in criminal acts or libel or abuse.

Because if you don&#039;t let them it&#039;ll get worse.

&lt;strong&gt;Peter:
I hear you. The question was sacarsm directed at the oft-repeated &quot;This is not our culture / Ini bukan budaya kita&quot; line politicians like to bandy around when people opposed to them organise protests. Personally, I am all for freedom of expression, having participated in a few, as long as they are within the limit of the law. I totally agree with all that you wrote here but bringing that kind of disorderly behaviour to the vicinity of the Parliament is not acceptable from my point of view irrespective of the irrational antics of MPs when debating in the Parliament. You know, you make a better politician than many of those that we voted into the Parliament. I like your style. :)&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it this way, Peter.</p>
<p>We could have had a culture of vigorous, passionate and yet civil debate. We could; all we would have had to do was allow people to speak, allow people to argue and fight it out and make fools out of themselves and others.</p>
<p>What happened instead was that we ended up with a culture of high-handed repression disguised as morality. Suppression of dissent in the name of &#8220;Asian values&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let me tell you something. Either you let people speak, or you let what they have to say fester. And when it festers, it becomes poisonous.</p>
<p>At this point, mob culture <em>is</em> our culture. And it must be. Because if you don&#8217;t let it out now, if you don&#8217;t let these people burn themselves out and discredit themselves <em>and</em> suffer the consequences of their actions (freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom of consequence, or freedom from response), it will get worse.</p>
<p>So let them riot. Let them be indecent. And yes, <em>punish</em> them if they go too far, if they engage in criminal acts or libel or abuse.</p>
<p>Because if you don&#8217;t let them it&#8217;ll get worse.</p>
<p><strong>Peter:<br />
I hear you. The question was sacarsm directed at the oft-repeated &#8220;This is not our culture / Ini bukan budaya kita&#8221; line politicians like to bandy around when people opposed to them organise protests. Personally, I am all for freedom of expression, having participated in a few, as long as they are within the limit of the law. I totally agree with all that you wrote here but bringing that kind of disorderly behaviour to the vicinity of the Parliament is not acceptable from my point of view irrespective of the irrational antics of MPs when debating in the Parliament. You know, you make a better politician than many of those that we voted into the Parliament. I like your style. :)</strong></p>
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